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The Case of The Wrongful Conviction of Leonard Peltier - Part 2
📻 Episode #528
🎙️ Hosted by Jason Flom
📅 Jun 05, 2025
About This Episode
Ben Bowlin, new co-host of Wrongful Conviction and host of the long-standing podcast Stuff the Don’t Want You to Know and Jason Flom from the Wrongful Conviction podcast had the honor of sitting down for many hours to speak with Leonard Peltier about his personal life, the historical context of the resistance movement and events…
The Case
Ben Bowlin, new co-host of Wrongful Conviction and host of the long-standing podcast Stuff the Don’t Want You to Know and Jason Flom from the Wrongful Conviction podcast had the honor of sitting down for many hours to speak with Leonard Peltier about his personal life, the historical context of the resistance movement and events that led to the attack on Jumping Bull Ranch in ‘75, as well as his near 50 year fight for justice that led to his sentence commutation in the final minutes of the Biden Administration.
In part two of this three-part series, the FBI had such a large suspect list after the shootout on Jumping Bull Ranch that it included every native combat veteran in the area and even a 4-year-old. But soon the target list was narrowed down to Dino Butler, Bob Robideau, and Leonard Peltier. Both Butler and Robideau were soon arrested, tried, and acquitted, successfully arguing self defense.
But Leonard tells us how he sought help from Marlon Brando, and asylum in Canada before the presentation of false evidence brought him back to the US to stand trial.
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In Their Own Words — transcript excerpts
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00:03:49“Speaker 4: the hill full of goons. I laid on the ground Speaker 4: and I emptied my gun out that car and it Speaker 4: turned around and ran back down the hill real fast. Speaker 4: And I couldn't believe we were all safe. None of Speaker 4: us got shot, no wounds or nothing. Man, when we”
00:15:27“Speaker 3: I never met her in my life, but she was Speaker 3: claiming she was my girlfriend and she was an eyewitness. Speaker 7: And the FBI used what they knew to be a Speaker 7: perjured affidavit in order to obtain his extradition from Canada. Speaker 2: This is one of Leonard's appellot attorneys, Ron Cooby. He's”
00:27:07“Speaker 6: meeting in Washington, DC at FBI headquarters. Prosecutors are their Speaker 6: the FBI's the air, and they either have to decide Speaker 6: that the agents followed Jimmy Eagle into the jumping boat compound, Speaker 6: which is what the deceased agents transmitted they were doing. Speaker 5: Or they had to say.”
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← #527 The Wrongful Conviction of Leonard Peltier - Part 1 #529 The Wrongful Conviction of Leonard Peltier - Part 3 →
Also on the podcast: #321 Barry Beach - Part 1 · #322 Barry Beach - Part 2 · #458 Alan Beaman - Part 1