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The Case of Nancy Smith
📻 Episode #342
🎙️ Hosted by Maggie Freleng
📅 Mar 13, 2023
About This Episode
On May 7, 1993, Margaret Grondin brought her four-year-old daughter to the hospital in Lorain, OH. Grondin claimed her daughter had told her that her school bus driver, Nancy Smith, a 37 year old mother of 4, had not taken her to school that day, but instead took her to the house of a man…
The Case
On May 7, 1993, Margaret Grondin brought her four-year-old daughter to the hospital in Lorain, OH. Grondin claimed her daughter had told her that her school bus driver, Nancy Smith, a 37 year old mother of 4, had not taken her to school that day, but instead took her to the house of a man named Joseph, who tied her up, taped her eyes shut, and sexually molested her. The doctors examined her and did not see any signs of injury to her body. And despite substantial evidence that the allegations were false, Nancy served 15 years in prison. Maggie talks to Nancy Smith, Courtney Smith, Nancy’s daughter and Mark Godsey, Nancy’s attorney.
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00:04:52“Speaker 5: mean to me, I would say it was a normal, Speaker 5: happy childhood. We lived in a very clean household. You know, Speaker 5: we never went without. We were always fed, and we Speaker 5: always had, you know, what we needed, not necessarily what Speaker 5: we wanted, but you know, kids are kids.”
00:18:28“Speaker 1: of them said on the stand the abuse never happened, Speaker 1: but the other three went into detail when. Speaker 6: Talking about the sexual allegations. It's the sort of things Speaker 6: that like a kid who doesn't actually know about sexual Speaker 6: interactions might say when someone says, what happened to you”
00:30:26“Speaker 6: in the psychological literature. And now, you know, decades later, Speaker 6: when the smoke is cleared, we realized that this was Speaker 6: most of these people are actually innocent. A lot of Speaker 6: these cases were drummed up for people who were, you know, Speaker 6: seeking to sue and get monetary damages, and that's exactly”
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