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The Case of Jason Flom and Kim Kardashian on Julius Jones
📻 Episode #218
🎙️ Hosted by Jason Flom
📅 Aug 18, 2021
About This Episode
This is an updated episode that originally aired on May 20, 2020.
The Case
This is an updated episode that originally aired on May 20, 2020.
On July 28th, 1999, Julius Jones was playing monopoly with his family and soon to be a sophomore on an academic scholarship at the University of Oklahoma. That night, a man named Paul Howell was shot for his GMC Suburban in the nearby suburb of Edmund, Oklahoma. A few days later, Julius was awakened and dragged out of bed, barefoot and shirtless, and taken into police custody as a murder suspect even though the eyewitness description should have excluded him as a suspect.
3 witnesses (and counting) have come forward with sworn affidavits claiming that Julius’ former friend and co-defendant Chris Jordan has often taken responsibility for Paul Howell’s murder - while Julius awaits lethal injection.
Julius’ attorney Dale Baich, his mother and sister, Madeline and Antoinette Jones, as well as special guest Kim Kardashian join Jason Flom to discuss Julius’ case and the race to right this wrong before it's too late.
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In Their Own Words — transcript excerpts
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00:04:38“Speaker 1: you tell us when you first heard about this case. Speaker 2: Yeah, I first started to receive letters. They were from Speaker 2: a woman named Terry McCarthy, probably thirty letters from her, Speaker 2: and she was kind of reiterating the same information about Speaker 2: Julius and mentioned the documentary with Iola Davis. So I thought,”
00:19:17“Speaker 3: the defense when they had an opportunity to cross examine Chris. Speaker 1: It's an inexplicable lapse. In fact, it's totally understandable why Speaker 1: the jury would have voted to convict. They didn't have Speaker 1: any information to work with except what the state was saying.”
00:33:06“Speaker 6: of the cases where I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna Speaker 6: jump out there and just you know, throw myself to Speaker 6: the wolves like that. And so when he ended up Speaker 6: breaking it down, it was pretty much like, you know, yeah, Speaker 6: I committed the aid that somebody else was getting accused of.”
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