The Case of False Confessions - Norfolk 4

📻 Episode #376
🎙️ Hosted by Jason Flom
📅 Jul 17, 2023

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About This Episode

Four honorable men volunteered to fight for their country, but ended up fighting for their own freedom.

The Case

Four honorable men volunteered to fight for their country, but ended up fighting for their own freedom.

Hosts Laura Nirider and Steve Drizin, co-directors at Northwestern University’s Center on Wrongful Convictions and central figures in the smash hit Netflix docuseries Making a Murderer, tell us about not one, but four U.S. Navy sailors who falsely confessed to murdering another sailor’s wife.

This updated episode shares the promising news that in 2021, Virginia became the first southern state to abolish the death penalty, and the 24th in the country. Cases like the Norfolk Four undeniably led to this progressive decision.

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00:04:06
“Speaker 1: nice jacket, but it was her a quick response, my Speaker 1: name's Michelle, that impressed him. Pretty soon they became inseparable. Speaker 1: After graduating, Billy enlisted in the navy. Michelle followed him Speaker 1: to Norfolk, where they got married. But when Billy's ship Speaker 1: docks that day, there's no Michelle waiting for him. He”

00:15:45
“Speaker 2: Joe Dick was even less equipped to deal with the Speaker 2: interrogation tactics of Detective Ford. He was a follower in Speaker 2: the truest sense of the word, and Detective Ford took Speaker 2: advantage of that. Speaker 1: On this confession. Joe is charged with capital murder as”

00:26:53
“Speaker 1: found evidence that he had tried to ask for a Speaker 1: lawyer during questioning, but he wasn't given one in violation Speaker 1: of his Miranda rights. Before Derek could be retried, two Speaker 1: more bombshells dropped. First, a PBS Frontline episode about the Speaker 1: Norfolk Four aired in twenty ten, featuring none other than”

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